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SEO Growth Strategy

Turn organic search into a scalable acquisition engine using programmatic data and systematic experimentation.

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The Guide

5 key steps synthesized from 4 experts.

1

Validate Demand and Opportunity

Start by confirming your target users use search for discovery. Research whether there is actual search volume for your topics using market sizing or keyword tools. Ensure you can identify specific search intent before committing resources to content creation.

Featured guest perspectives
"Product people need to think about how do we position this to the user that is not going to find out about this from a social channel, that's not going to be attracted by an ad? This is a user that's doing their own self-discovery journey. If you can't answer the question about what is it that someone's going to do a search on, then don't do SEO."
— Eli Schwartz
"And also I see a lot of people sometimes go blindly into SEO. They're like, 'We're just going to write content,' which I'm a huge fan of SEO, happy to discuss that later, but if people aren't asking this question to Google, you can write all the content you want, it doesn't matter, nobody's going to find it."
— Meltem Kuran
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Build a Programmatic Content Engine

Identify unique data points your business already owns that can be turned into high-value web pages. Create a standardized template that functions like a Mad Libs exercise to generate pages for every possible use case or integration at scale. This allows you to capture long-tail keyword formulas where you have a distinct data advantage.

Featured guest perspectives
"SEO is all about creating web pages. Lots of web pages. But not just any web pages. The secret is to create pages that are as helpful to search engines as they are to your users."
— Lenny Rachitsky
"Instead, you’ll want to create the content programmatically, using the data points that you’ve outlined in the previous exercise, and then apply it to the keywords that you’re targeting. Think of your page as a very elaborate page from a Mad Libs, and you’re using internal and publicly available data to fill in the blanks."
— Lenny Rachitsky
"Not much content is needed—just enough to convey value and the context of how you help a user achieve their goal—but this content gets multiplied to be discoverable no matter the user’s context."
— Lenny Rachitsky
3

Optimize Site Health and Architecture

Perform an audit to ensure every page has a unique title tag optimized for target keywords. Implement a robust internal linking strategy to help crawlers discover new content and distribute link equity. Use high-traffic crawl points as entry points to lead spiders to deeper, lower-performing pages.

Featured guest perspectives
"Internal linking: This is far and away the most overlooked SEO feature. This is the biggest optimization recommendation that I make to every company that I’ve ever consulted for. Internal links are links that you have on your page that point to a different page that is still on your domain. This is extremely important, as Google uses internal linking as a means of determining the hierarchy of information on your site (the more internal links pointing to a page, the more important it is), and how they discover new pages on your site."
— Lenny Rachitsky
"Using a program like Screaming Frog, crawl your site to pull data for an internal link audit. You’ll learn the total number of internal links, find any broken links that take visitors to an error page, and gain performance metrics that show you which pages are most in need of improvement."
— Lenny Rachitsky
"These high-authority and popular pages, called “crawl points,” are locations where Google enters your site. And a page’s proximity to a crawl point influences its share of the link juice."
— Lenny Rachitsky
4

Deploy Page-Level Experiments

Set up an experimentation framework that buckets treatment and control groups by hashing canonical URLs. Run tests for two to four weeks to allow sufficient time for indexing. Use incoming organic traffic as your primary success metric rather than unreliable third-party ranking data.

Featured guest perspectives
"When you’re running an SEO experiment you’re testing on the page level. Thus, you need to have an experimentation system that can do your bucketing on the page level."
— Lenny Rachitsky
"You’ll want to let the experiment run for a while so that Google can discover the changes, and make the necessary adjustments. SEO experiments take more time than A/B tests to show impact."
— Lenny Rachitsky
"Your single source of truth is incoming organic traffic. Anything else is unreliable. If more people are coming into your site through organic traffic, then your experiment was a success."
— Lenny Rachitsky
5

Adapt for Answer Engine Optimization

Pivot your strategy to include being mentioned frequently across authoritative third-party sources like Reddit and YouTube. Structure your help centers and documentation with granular data to answer specific follow-up questions from AI chat interfaces. Focus on long-tail content that addresses complex, multi-word queries favored by LLM users.

Featured guest perspectives
"In order to win something like what's the best website builder? At Google, they would win if their blue link showed up first. But that's not the case in the LLM, because the LLM is summarizing many citations, and so you need to get mentioned as many times as possible."
— Ethan Smith
"What's different about the tail is that the tail is larger in chat than in search. So the average number of words, I think, Perplexity said this to somebody else, said that it was around 25 words, where versus Google words it's around six words. So the tail is just much, much larger."
— Ethan Smith
"What's different about the tail is that the tail is larger in chat than in search. ... People are asking lots of follow-up questions."
— Ethan Smith

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Guest Perspectives

Deep dive into what 3 podcast guests shared about seo growth strategy.

Eli Schwartz 3 quotes
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"And now you're in the mid-funnel and that's where SEO begins to matter. So the reason why I think this disruption is so big is because the journey changes, the discovery changes. So whereas before if you were a travel site and you were able to rank on best beach vacation within two hours of the United States, that's your ranking result."
Tactical:
  • Identify high-level discovery keywords in your portfolio that are now being satisfied by AI Overviews.
  • Reorient your content strategy toward mid-funnel queries where users seek specific comparisons or detailed information.
  • Position your brand to be the next step in the user's self-discovery journey after they receive an initial AI summary.
"Think of SEO as a product. The product managers are the people that should be thinking about this SEO question because it's a product question. Product people need to think about how do we position this to the user that is not going to find out about this from a social channel, that's not going to be attracted by an ad?"
Tactical:
  • Assign product managers to lead the SEO strategy and treat search visibility as a core product requirement.
  • Design your product's positioning specifically for users arriving via organic self-discovery journeys.
  • Integrate SEO considerations into the product development lifecycle rather than treating it as a post-launch add-on.
"Product people need to think about how do we position this to the user that is not going to find out about this from a social channel, that's not going to be attracted by an ad? This is a user that's doing their own self-discovery journey. If you can't answer the question about what is it that someone's going to do a search on, then don't do SEO."
Tactical:
  • Determine if your target users find your product through self-discovery journeys on search engines rather than ads or social media.
  • Verify that you can clearly define the specific questions or problems your users are searching for.
  • Compare the potential ROI of SEO against other channels if your users' search intent is not clearly established.
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Ethan Smith 5 quotes
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"In order to win something like what's the best website builder? At Google, they would win if their blue link showed up first. But that's not the case in the LLM, because the LLM is summarizing many citations, and so you need to get mentioned as many times as possible."
Tactical:
  • Target being mentioned as many times as possible across the web to influence LLM summaries.
  • Get your product featured in YouTube videos, Reddit threads, and third-party blogs to build citation volume.
  • Continue traditional SEO landing page strategies as they provide the foundational citations LLMs use.
"Significantly more valuable. Webflow saw a 6X conversion rate difference between LLM traffic and Google Search traffic."
Tactical:
  • Track referral traffic specifically from ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Claude in your analytics dashboard.
  • Compare the conversion rates of LLM-driven leads against traditional SEO leads to measure the channel's ROI.
  • Monitor the 'clickability' of your citations in LLM answers, such as your appearance in maps or cards.
"What's different about the tail is that the tail is larger in chat than in search. So the average number of words, I think, Perplexity said this to somebody else, said that it was around 25 words, where versus Google words it's around six words. So the tail is just much, much larger."
Tactical:
  • Map out long-tail questions that users are likely to ask as follow-ups in a chat interface.
  • Create content that specifically addresses 20+ word prompts to match the complex queries found in AI engines.
  • Prioritize depth in niche topics to ensure your content is the most relevant citation for specific user prompts.
"You can get mentioned by a citation tomorrow and start showing up immediately. You can have a Reddit thread, you can have a YouTube video. You can be mentioned on a blog. So early-stage companies can win, they can win quickly."
Tactical:
  • Focus on Reddit optimization to earn authentic mentions that LLMs prioritize in their answers.
  • Leverage community platforms and YouTube to bypass the 'domain authority' wait time of Google Search.
  • Seed discussions in niche communities to ensure your brand is cited in real-time by answer engines.
"What's different about the tail is that the tail is larger in chat than in search. ... People are asking lots of follow-up questions."
Tactical:
  • Structure help center articles to provide direct, concise answers to specific technical questions.
  • Expand documentation to cover the specific 'how-to' follow-ups that users typically ask AI assistants.
  • Ensure your help center content is indexable and easily parsed by LLM crawlers for accurate summarization.
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Meltem Kuran 1 quote
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"And also I see a lot of people sometimes go blindly into SEO. They're like, 'We're just going to write content,' which I'm a huge fan of SEO, happy to discuss that later, but if people aren't asking this question to Google, you can write all the content you want, it doesn't matter, nobody's going to find it."
Tactical:
  • Research whether your target audience is actually asking specific questions on search engines before writing.
  • Focus content creation on high-intent topics where users are actively looking for a problem to be solved.
  • Optimize the technical skeleton of the website so search engines can easily find and index your content.
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